Comments on: Who’s a climate scientist? Depends on which side you’re on. http://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/ Climate Change News & Analysis Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:44:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Bob R Geologist, Tuchttp://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/comment-page-1/#comment-28429 Bob R Geologist, Tuc Sat, 08 Aug 2009 02:02:45 +0000 http://www.openmarket.org/?p=17217#comment-28429 Geologists are eclectic scientists who have read extensively and had course-work in practically all the phtsical and biological sciences. The geologic history of our planet and the plant and animal life that have lived thereon are a vital part of the ever changing picture. Climates have always been changeable and geologists are uniquely qualified by their knowledge derived from many souurces, from tree rings and cave deposits to core drilling of ocean sediments and glacial ice. The hardened sap from pine trees and glacial ice have air bubbles that give us samples of the air from very ancient times. These proxies give us approximate temperatures at the time of their deposition. So, it was with great skepticism that I viewed the Koyoto Protocols and the demonizing of CO2, without which all life would be impossible on this or any other planet. Actually, an inspection by anyone of moderate knowledge of a climate graph of the last 10,000 years (the Holocene), would recognize that the AGW devotee's claim of unprecedented warming during the past 150 years is a shamless fabrication. Anyone with a knowledge of paleoclimates would know thereis no record of a runaway heat wave, even during the age of the dinosaurs, when CO2 averaged 10 to 20 times that we have in our air today. I just can't understand any scientist today that would risk his credibility on this scam unless he was making a spectacular living from it or had bet the farm on it. Geologists are eclectic scientists who have read extensively and had course-work in practically all the phtsical and biological sciences. The geologic history of our planet and the plant and animal life that have lived thereon are a vital part of the ever changing picture. Climates have always been changeable and geologists are uniquely qualified by their knowledge derived from many souurces, from tree rings and cave deposits to core drilling of ocean sediments and glacial ice. The hardened sap from pine trees and glacial ice have air bubbles that give us samples of the air from very ancient times. These proxies give us approximate temperatures at the time of their deposition. So, it was with great skepticism that I viewed the Koyoto Protocols and the demonizing of CO2, without which all life would be impossible on this or any other planet. Actually, an inspection by anyone of moderate knowledge of a climate graph of the last 10,000 years (the Holocene), would recognize that the AGW devotee's claim of unprecedented warming during the past 150 years is a shamless fabrication. Anyone with a knowledge of paleoclimates would know thereis no record of a runaway heat wave, even during the age of the dinosaurs, when CO2 averaged 10 to 20 times that we have in our air today. I just can't understand any scientist today that would risk his credibility on this scam unless he was making a spectacular living from it or had bet the farm on it.

]]> By: The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Don't Ask the Mediahttp://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/comment-page-1/#comment-28375 The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : Don't Ask the Media Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:18:55 +0000 http://www.openmarket.org/?p=17217#comment-28375 [...] and who isn't, a qualified climate scientist? The Competitive Enterprise Institute's Myron Ebell explained yesterday if you're [...] [...] and who isn’t, a qualified climate scientist? The Competitive Enterprise Institute’s Myron Ebell explained yesterday if you’re [...]

]]> By: Jennifer Marohasy » Who’s a Climate Scientist?http://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/comment-page-1/#comment-28374 Jennifer Marohasy » Who’s a Climate Scientist? Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:23:45 +0000 http://www.openmarket.org/?p=17217#comment-28374 [...] Read more from Myron Ebell here. [...] [...] Read more from Myron Ebell here. [...]

]]> By: ron from Texashttp://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/comment-page-1/#comment-28373 ron from Texas Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:44:53 +0000 http://www.openmarket.org/?p=17217#comment-28373 The attack on the creds of Dr. Carter and others is a debate tactic. Since the alarmists can't actually dispute scientific fact and principles on their own, that leaves them with the need to discredit anyone who disagrees with them. It's the political equivalent of Peewee Herman's "I know you are but what am I?!" I mean, really, an AGW alarmist usually has little, if any grasp, on physics and science. I've even seen Dr. Noam Mohr, phsycist at Yale, not be able to actually discuss the basic science involved and he resorted to mealy mouthed debate tactics. The attack on the creds of Dr. Carter and others is a debate tactic. Since the alarmists can't actually dispute scientific fact and principles on their own, that leaves them with the need to discredit anyone who disagrees with them. It's the political equivalent of Peewee Herman's "I know you are but what am I?!" I mean, really, an AGW alarmist usually has little, if any grasp, on physics and science. I've even seen Dr. Noam Mohr, phsycist at Yale, not be able to actually discuss the basic science involved and he resorted to mealy mouthed debate tactics.

]]> By: Mikehttp://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/comment-page-1/#comment-28370 Mike Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:02:23 +0000 http://www.openmarket.org/?p=17217#comment-28370 I am afraid its much worse than that. We are about to go into a new liberal dark ages straight out of "Atlas Shrugged". The peasants (the people with no pull in Wash.) will live in poverty while the few elite will live like Al Gore does now. I am afraid its much worse than that. We are about to go into a new liberal dark ages straight out of "Atlas Shrugged". The peasants (the people with no pull in Wash.) will live in poverty while the few elite will live like Al Gore does now.

]]> By: Alan Greyhttp://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/comment-page-1/#comment-28368 Alan Grey Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:53:56 +0000 http://www.openmarket.org/?p=17217#comment-28368 It's worse than that, Sabra reprints the lies of Professor David Karoly, who claims Bob Carter doesn't publish in the climate science literature. Apparently 'Science' is not reputable enough for the climate derange professor Karoly... CARTER, R.M.; GAMMON, P. 2004 New Zealand maritime glaciation: millennial-scale southern climate change since 3.9 Ma. Science, 304, 1659-1662 It's worse than that, Sabra reprints the lies of Professor David Karoly, who claims Bob Carter doesn't publish in the climate science literature. Apparently 'Science' is not reputable enough for the climate derange professor Karoly…

CARTER, R.M.; GAMMON, P. 2004 New Zealand maritime glaciation: millennial-scale southern climate change since 3.9 Ma. Science, 304, 1659-1662

]]> By: Elastic definitions for the term ’scientist’ « Blog de KingShamushttp://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/comment-page-1/#comment-28365 Elastic definitions for the term ’scientist’ « Blog de KingShamus Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:53:13 +0000 http://www.openmarket.org/?p=17217#comment-28365 [...] by KingShamus on August 3, 2009 Myron Ebell over at Globalwarming.org notices a cute trick:  I was interested to read an item in today’s Climate Wire about a new report by “a prominent [...] [...] by KingShamus on August 3, 2009 Myron Ebell over at Globalwarming.org notices a cute trick:  I was interested to read an item in today’s Climate Wire about a new report by “a prominent [...]

]]> By: Andrewhttp://www.globalwarming.org/2009/08/03/who%e2%80%99s-a-climate-scientist-depends-on-which-side-you%e2%80%99re-on/comment-page-1/#comment-28363 Andrew Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:22:08 +0000 http://www.openmarket.org/?p=17217#comment-28363 Tsk tsk Myron! Don't you know how "Post Normal Science" works? Of <i>course</i> anyone who supports alarm is a "climate scientist" and anyone at all, no matter how qualified by comparison who dares to stick up for normal science, is frankly not allowed to be a scientist at all! In fact, I'm still confused how some Republicans got in at all! (a recent survey show some 6% of scientists identify as Republicans! And we expect them not to be biased with regard to policy?!?!?) Tsk tsk Myron! Don’t you know how “Post Normal Science” works? Of course anyone who supports alarm is a “climate scientist” and anyone at all, no matter how qualified by comparison who dares to stick up for normal science, is frankly not allowed to be a scientist at all! In fact, I’m still confused how some Republicans got in at all! (a recent survey show some 6% of scientists identify as Republicans! And we expect them not to be biased with regard to policy?!?!?)

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