Comments on: Saving the Climate Change Circus http://www.globalwarming.org/2011/12/22/saving-the-climate-change-circus/ Climate Change News & Analysis Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:44:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Gabriel B. Ategahttp://www.globalwarming.org/2011/12/22/saving-the-climate-change-circus/comment-page-1/#comment-66896 Gabriel B. Atega Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:22:26 +0000 http://www.globalwarming.org/?p=11919#comment-66896 The climate is changing! Natural forces as well as the growing human population impacting upon the forests are in combination causing climate behavior that is difficult to predict. What is evident is that the amount of water in the atmosphere has increased. These climate changes have nothing to do with the premises of the cap and trade and climate change assumptions based on the alleged capability of increasing CO2 levels to cause the changes. Myths are created in the process: peak oil; dirty energy sources; CO2 driven climate. What are these myths for? The evident result is we as the people of this planet have to work harder to pay more for energy costs! Why is this higher cost being paid for when supposedly, humanity, having achieved efficiency by working through computers, better work systems and energy efficient electrical accessories and devices, energy efficient cars, more compact, aerodynamically designed have required lesser number of liters per kilometer? We have built energy efficient buildings, energy efficient airplanes, boats, etc, and having become energy efficient, we must pay for more energy cost. What is the basis? Myths!!! The climate is changing! Natural forces as well as the growing human population impacting upon the forests are in combination causing climate behavior that is difficult to predict. What is evident is that the amount of water in the atmosphere has increased. These climate changes have nothing to do with the premises of the cap and trade and climate change assumptions based on the alleged capability of increasing CO2 levels to cause the changes. Myths are created in the process: peak oil; dirty energy sources; CO2 driven climate. What are these myths for? The evident result is we as the people of this planet have to work harder to pay more for energy costs! Why is this higher cost being paid for when supposedly, humanity, having achieved efficiency by working through computers, better work systems and energy efficient electrical accessories and devices, energy efficient cars, more compact, aerodynamically designed have required lesser number of liters per kilometer? We have built energy efficient buildings, energy efficient airplanes, boats, etc, and having become energy efficient, we must pay for more energy cost. What is the basis? Myths!!!

]]> By: Lawrie Ayreshttp://www.globalwarming.org/2011/12/22/saving-the-climate-change-circus/comment-page-1/#comment-66707 Lawrie Ayres Mon, 26 Dec 2011 07:29:19 +0000 http://www.globalwarming.org/?p=11919#comment-66707 The Gillard government in Australia were fooled. I can't see our tax helping the Europeans since our manufacturing for export is non existent so higher energy costs simply shift whatever is left to Asia. In turn the Asians burn our coal to provide them with cheap energy so they can undercut the Europeans even more. Who ever dreampt this scheme up made a few fundamental errors and didn't allow for unintended consequences. The global economic downturn will aid the dumping of green schemes as much as the downturn in global temperatures. Europe will have an albatross around it's neck for years to come as they scramble to once again produce cheap energy, probably from nuclear. The Gillard government in Australia were fooled. I can’t see our tax helping the Europeans since our manufacturing for export is non existent so higher energy costs simply shift whatever is left to Asia. In turn the Asians burn our coal to provide them with cheap energy so they can undercut the Europeans even more. Who ever dreampt this scheme up made a few fundamental errors and didn’t allow for unintended consequences. The global economic downturn will aid the dumping of green schemes as much as the downturn in global temperatures. Europe will have an albatross around it’s neck for years to come as they scramble to once again produce cheap energy, probably from nuclear.

]]> By: mememine69http://www.globalwarming.org/2011/12/22/saving-the-climate-change-circus/comment-page-1/#comment-66687 mememine69 Fri, 23 Dec 2011 13:43:53 +0000 http://www.globalwarming.org/?p=11919#comment-66687 2012 will mark 26 years of CO2 crisis warnings, therefore to always refer to climate change in the past tense and always refer to it as the Great CO2 Exaggeration. Never say climate mitigation for it is really just taxing the air with bank funded and corporate run Carbon Trading Stock Markets ruled by politicians. Sustainability is really just “poverty” and the new “denier” is anyone left who still thinks anyone will still vote YES to taxing the air we breathe to tame the wild climate. And remember that scientists are still the enemy for it was they who poisoned the planet with their pesticides in the first place and now ride the dying wave of the consultant’s wet dream of climate change research. Climate Change wasn’t a lie; it was the study of a worst case scenario of an assumed crisis. RIP climate blame as history marks our latest venture into omen worship; “I see the changes!” 2012 will mark 26 years of CO2 crisis warnings, therefore to always refer to climate change in the past tense and always refer to it as the Great CO2 Exaggeration. Never say climate mitigation for it is really just taxing the air with bank funded and corporate run Carbon Trading Stock Markets ruled by politicians. Sustainability is really just “poverty” and the new “denier” is anyone left who still thinks anyone will still vote YES to taxing the air we breathe to tame the wild climate. And remember that scientists are still the enemy for it was they who poisoned the planet with their pesticides in the first place and now ride the dying wave of the consultant’s wet dream of climate change research. Climate Change wasn’t a lie; it was the study of a worst case scenario of an assumed crisis. RIP climate blame as history marks our latest venture into omen worship; “I see the changes!”

]]> By: BobRGeologisthttp://www.globalwarming.org/2011/12/22/saving-the-climate-change-circus/comment-page-1/#comment-66685 BobRGeologist Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:56:41 +0000 http://www.globalwarming.org/?p=11919#comment-66685 As a scientist I reject all the hocus pocus of man caused global warming. Lets use our abundant coal and reap the economic benefits from low cost energy until such time a super battery is developed that will make the use of solar and wind reliable on a 24 hr per day basis. It will also give us the robust greenhouse gas needed to increase the world food supply and fend off the next epoch of Pleistocene glaciations which I believe inevitable unless we allow our global climate to warm a few deg C. As a scientist I reject all the hocus pocus of man caused global warming. Lets use our abundant coal and reap the economic benefits from low cost energy until such time a super battery is developed that will make the use of solar and wind reliable on a 24 hr per day basis. It will also give us the robust greenhouse gas needed to increase the world food supply and fend off the next epoch of Pleistocene glaciations which I believe inevitable unless we allow our global climate to warm a few deg C.

]]> By: John F. Borowskihttp://www.globalwarming.org/2011/12/22/saving-the-climate-change-circus/comment-page-1/#comment-66679 John F. Borowski Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:08:30 +0000 http://www.globalwarming.org/?p=11919#comment-66679 Here in Oregon...dropping ocean pH is harming our oyster industry. (http://e360.yale.edu/feature/massive_oyster_die-offs_show_ocean_acidification_has_arrived/2466/)Tillamook, Oregon...famous for their cheese/magnificent coastline: averages nearly 13 inches of rain in December (this year, less than .25 inches).Arctic ice is at near record lows. Atmospheric CO2 is at 391 ppm. Melting land ice/glaciers are reducing water for a host of needs. (http://prmac.com/release-id-35833.htm)You mention "killing affordable coal"....yet, you don't mention the cost of illness due to mercury in the emissions, the hidden cost of dealing with nearly 61 million tons of coal ash (I imagine you want a slurry pond in your neighborhood) and you failed to discuss massive tax subsidies to the coal industry for year.Now, I respect your pro-business agenda. That is fine...and needed. Yet. to deny any and all evidence of the effects of CO2 is sad, transparent and lacks commonsense.Merry Christmas, John F. Borowski/Oregon.... Here in Oregon…dropping ocean pH is harming our oyster industry. (http://e360.yale.edu/feature/massive_oyster_die-offs_show_ocean_acidification_has_arrived/2466/)

Tillamook, Oregon…famous for their cheese/magnificent coastline: averages nearly 13 inches of rain in December (this year, less than .25 inches).

Arctic ice is at near record lows. Atmospheric CO2 is at 391 ppm. Melting land ice/glaciers are reducing water for a host of needs. (http://prmac.com/release-id-35833.htm)

You mention “killing affordable coal”….yet, you don’t mention the cost of illness due to mercury in the emissions, the hidden cost of dealing with nearly 61 million tons of coal ash (I imagine you want a slurry pond in your neighborhood) and you failed to discuss massive tax subsidies to the coal industry for year.

Now, I respect your pro-business agenda. That is fine…and needed. Yet. to deny any and all evidence of the effects of CO2 is sad, transparent and lacks commonsense.

Merry Christmas, John F. Borowski/Oregon….

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