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	<title>Comments on: No, Mandates Are Still Not Pro-Market</title>
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		<title>By: Brian McGraw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian McGraw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Howard,

I should have used the phrase &quot;natural monopoly,&quot; as I do not believe there are any structural or permanence to oil&#039;s dominance of the transportation fuels market. As you note, its possible to produce ethanol/methanol/electric vehicles/etc., but they aren&#039;t cost competitive.

Again, if there were a monopoly in oil production, this would imply higher than average prices, which would benefit fuels like methanol which compete with oil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Howard,</p>
<p>I should have used the phrase &#8220;natural monopoly,&#8221; as I do not believe there are any structural or permanence to oil&#8217;s dominance of the transportation fuels market. As you note, its possible to produce ethanol/methanol/electric vehicles/etc., but they aren&#8217;t cost competitive.</p>
<p>Again, if there were a monopoly in oil production, this would imply higher than average prices, which would benefit fuels like methanol which compete with oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Holme</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Holme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2012 22:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monopoly pricing power exists far before the OPEC “cartel  has an absolute monopoly over the provision of a good where there are no substitutes.”  The  Oak Ridge National Laboratory study, “Costs of U.S. Oil Dependence: 2005 Update,” following up studies back at least to 1991, found  “Reckoned in terms of present value using a discount rate of 4.5%, the costs of U.S. oil dependence since 1970 are $8 trillion, with a reasonable range of uncertainty of $5 to $13 trillion.”  http://cta.ornl.gov/cta/Publications/Reports/CostsofUSOilDependence.pdf

The 2010 update found “The most recent study using this model shows that the U.S. economy suffered the greatest losses in 2008 when wealth transfer and GDP losses (combined) amounted to approximately half a trillion dollars.”  http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/m/2010_fotw632.html

You say, “there are plenty of alternatives to oil that vehicles can run on but they are not cost competitive.”  However, contrary to your additional statement, oil does have a “monopoly over the provision of a good where there are no substitutes.”  MIT’s comprehensive report on The Future of Natural Gas, at P., 99, shows that 93.9% of transportation is fueled by petroleum, and only 2.9% by natural gas.   http://web.mit.edu/mitei/research/studies/documents/natural-gas-2011/NaturalGas_Chapter5_Demand.pdf  

 Also, as the MIT study finds at P. 126:
“With deployment of plants using current technology, on an energy-equivalent basis, methanol could be produced from U.S. natural gas at a lower cost than gasoline at current oil prices.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monopoly pricing power exists far before the OPEC “cartel  has an absolute monopoly over the provision of a good where there are no substitutes.”  The  Oak Ridge National Laboratory study, “Costs of U.S. Oil Dependence: 2005 Update,” following up studies back at least to 1991, found  “Reckoned in terms of present value using a discount rate of 4.5%, the costs of U.S. oil dependence since 1970 are $8 trillion, with a reasonable range of uncertainty of $5 to $13 trillion.”  <a href="http://cta.ornl.gov/cta/Publications/Reports/CostsofUSOilDependence.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cta.ornl.gov/cta/Publications/Reports/CostsofUSOilDependence.pdf</a></p>
<p>The 2010 update found “The most recent study using this model shows that the U.S. economy suffered the greatest losses in 2008 when wealth transfer and GDP losses (combined) amounted to approximately half a trillion dollars.”  <a href="http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/m/2010_fotw632.html" rel="nofollow">http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/m/2010_fotw632.html</a></p>
<p>You say, “there are plenty of alternatives to oil that vehicles can run on but they are not cost competitive.”  However, contrary to your additional statement, oil does have a “monopoly over the provision of a good where there are no substitutes.”  MIT’s comprehensive report on The Future of Natural Gas, at P., 99, shows that 93.9% of transportation is fueled by petroleum, and only 2.9% by natural gas.   <a href="http://web.mit.edu/mitei/research/studies/documents/natural-gas-2011/NaturalGas_Chapter5_Demand.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/mitei/research/studies/documents/natural-gas-2011/NaturalGas_Chapter5_Demand.pdf</a>  </p>
<p> Also, as the MIT study finds at P. 126:<br />
“With deployment of plants using current technology, on an energy-equivalent basis, methanol could be produced from U.S. natural gas at a lower cost than gasoline at current oil prices.”</p>
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